i saw your write up on gunsnet for it, that is one awesome piece there!!!!

got me wanting to do a .22 bolt w/ the integral suppressor.just wondering about the approval process right now.would you be able to answer a few ??'S ???

do you give up any of your rights to get an approval??? example: i want to start a shop gunsmithing, but i need to find a location for it, i read that IF you can get one approved for your house, the govt can come in nd do a search ANY time w/o ANY warrant or suspicion of illegal activity. i dont have anything to hide, its just that, in my mind, i see a bunch of atf agents going through every room in the house, smashing **** and throwing everything all over, not my idea of a good time

also, a signature from a cleo, i work for hte local municipality and see the town chief every day, do i ask him?? i heard somewhere that it had to be county level or higher, is this correct???

first "second page" post !!!( i just checked) do i win a prize??

Will do. I'll try to start working on it this weekend. No promises on that though as there is a fun show in town and my father will be comming down for it.

YEAH!!!

Thanks for the complement. I'll answer what I can for you, please do not hesitate to ask.

If you get a gunsmith licens and your personal residence is listed as you location for business then you are subject to inspection. What you may want to try and do is list a detached garage/workshop as a seperate address and use that. List it as 123 Elmstreet A, or 123 Elmstreet Rear, or some such as that. You need to put up a seperate mail box for it if the ATF/local ordances will go for it. Also, a Title II manufacture friend of mine makes it a point to video tape ALL inspections and have two witnesses to all inspections. ATF will often object to video tape, be polite but firm. Turn the tables on them; You, "Your not going to do anything wrong are you," ATF "no". You, "Your not going to give me any false information are you?" Them "no" You, "Then there isn't any real problem with the video is there?" Bla Bla Bla. Reality is that it is your property and you have every right to video tape so long as you do not interferr with the inspection process. It is also a good idea to get the credintials of all (i really mean ALL) ATF personell on site. YOu may want to wave their credintials in front of the camera "for documintation purposes". CLEO sign off: Not sure about this on your comercial license (I'm just a hoppiest making my stuff on a Form 1) sign off, check with ATF on this. On your Form 1 for making it yourself there can be overlapping jurisdiction on the CLEO. If you live in city limits the chief of police can sign or the Shariff can sign. If you live in the county then of course the Chief cannot sign as you do not live in his/her jurisdiction. A felony prosicuter can also sign. And here is a biggie, if you live in Texas a county constable can also sign. ATF told me no on this at first, I sent them a 112 page reconsideration request and had my approved Form 1 three weeks later. I went through this as the Kerr county shariff in Texas does not "belive civilians should have those sort of things". Of course this was before I knew about trusts.

Hope this answeres your questions. Please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to help.

Oh, almost forgot. Don't know how set you are on the .22 bolt gun, I was considering a .22 bolt at one time as well. After I though about it I went with a .22 lever gun. It is just as quiet as a bolt gun plus a lot faster to the next round. I decided on the Ruger 96-22. It uses the same magazine as the 10-22 and the 10-22 barrel can be easily adapted to the 96-22. Here is a photo of mine.



This was actually my first Suppressor to build.

Ok, here ya go. Here is Part one in a seperate thread.

http://livetoshoot.freeforums.org/viewt ... highlight=

i think i wasnt clear w/ my ques. i was looking into getting the ffl, and saw this about the searches if its tied to your home, what i was wondering, is if you have to submit to searches like these if you are registered to have any nfa type weapons, or if there are any other strings like that attached to getting an approval.

good idea about the taping though.

as for the gun, i havent ruled out a lever yet, i HAVE ruled out a 10/22. i want it for squirrel hunting mainly (and plinking), the "saftey zone" in pa requires you to be at least 150 yds from any occupied dwelling. most of the good spots here are actualy IN the little developments all around. its been a while since i actualy saw a squirrel out in the middle of nowhere. i have a few spots that have alot of game that are 150-200yds from small vilages.i was thinking of getting a silenced 22 for this as, although it not illegal, and you prob cant even heart the shot from 150 yd away being fired away from the town, but just in case, so no one starts getting worked up over hearing shots. havent heard any complaints in 2 yrs though.

anyway, thats why im definatley not going w/ the semi-auto, as their not legal for hunting in pa. manual loading rifled only.

No, the ATF cannot search you house just because you have an NFA item. Now, unless things have changed in the last 5 years, the ONLY thing the ATF can require you to do is present the Form 4/1 for inspection. They cannot inspect the item or enter your home as you can easily hand it to them the Form at the door. I have NEVER herd of the ATF actually doing this at any time. Most of the stories are of cops showing up at gun ranges cause some assclown called jo law when some started playing with their cool toys.

Hope that answeres your question.

Bummer about the no semi-auto rule. I ruled out the 10/22 on my suppressor build cause I was going for the ultimate in quiet and didn't want any chamber or action noise. I went with the lever because it is a lot faster than the bolt. (and it was cheaper too).

well I was bored so I'm posting some more pics of some of my toys two .44's and a .22 single six

Here's another one.

it looks like the rounds on that belt are unloaded is this an actaul semi auto or is it a dummy gun, or class three either way that looks sweet I know I couldn't ever afford to shoot one of those bad boys but I would like to have one some day

Pretty good eye. Actually they are very dirty blanks. And for the very good eye, you'll notice that the belt is on the wrong side. It's a semi auto project gun that has yet to be completed. Some day. . . .

Guess what it is.

well I can tell it's a ruger 10/22 the trigger is a give away same as the barrel band on the forearm. let me know if I'm wrong.

here is one for anyone that has the answers lets see if you guys can get these models names just from looking at the pics. I'll im the answers to you if you want them but I'd like to see if anyone else has these or has dealt with them.